Pro spankers, how do you feel about this?
Question by Your Liege: Pro spankers, how do you feel about this?
85% of all documented abuse cases started off as spanking (or another form of CP) and escalated in to abuse. This means that’s lot’s of parents CAN’T handle spanking. They are doing it ineffectively, and causing kids to be abused.
So, since laws aren’t made off of personal experience ie. “Just because you socialize better while drunk doesn’t mean EVERYONE should be DIP. Or just because your pit bull isn’t violent, doesn’t mean EVERYONE can break leash laws.”
So in the same sense, shouldn’t the same logic apply to spanking? Just because it didn’t adversely effect you doesn’t mean it should be legal. And just because you “know how to properly hit your child without escalting it to abuse” Doesn’t mean everyone else does.
Listen guy’s, not a lot of dogs are going to attack kids, but we have to make laws to protect the kids who were/will be attacked. In this case, a lot of kids WILL be abused, yet we aren’t making laws to protect (or atleast try) to protect them.
Fact is, spanking ISN’T necessary to raise healthy, respectful kids. Many people do it right here in America and other countries who have banned spanking haven’t blown up. So why not us? Atleast to protect the kids who’s spanking will ultimately escalate into abuse.
@Christina/faith: I hope you read this: It’s not true that all parents who abuse their children are just ruthless bullies with issues. infact, in most cases that ISN’T the case. It’s rare for a human to be so cruel that they purposely harm their off-spring. The fact is, most abuse is issued out by parents just like you. They start off spanking lightly, and as it becomes ineffective they increase the force which ultimately leads to abuse. This isn’t my opinion, it’s a hardcore fact for lot’s of unfortunate kids. By you supporting spanking, you’re also supporting the potential of abuse. Not only physical abuse, but also sexual abuse. (Read up on how many use spanking to victimize kids sexually.) It’s just a really unecessary form of discipline. Why enable this when other forms of discipline work better?
@Christina: Timeout does infact work for some kids, and what it does is gives them time to think about why they are in trouble. However, you’re absolutely correct, all kids won’t respond
Christina Cont… That doesn’t mean hitting them is an option. You have to use parenting skills not violence. Understand your kids, what makes them behave. When my son wouldn’t stop playing ball in the house we warned him and took away a star off his chart. When he did it again and broke a lamp, we grounded him from playing for his AAU team but made him go to the game and watch them lose. To this day he doesn’t dribble a ball in the house, and I suspect he will learn from/remember costing his AAU team the season more than a meaningless spanking.
@ Leigh, It’s not about what MIGHT happen, it’s about what IS happening. That’s why laws are made, in this case to protect those who can’t protect themselves. I don’t know if you were attempting to be funny with your rape statistic/analogy but it was terrible. I won’t even address it. The DWI is a great analogy though, and one must also wonder why alcohol is legal? When drugs like Weed aren’t? Hmmmm maybe because government makes money off it? I’m in the camp that says it SHOULD be illegal. It’s unnecessary and a huge detriment to society. think of how many lives would be saved if it were illegal? And what’s loss if it’s not? People can’t get drunk and act like morons? Win Win. If you were a non-drinking victim of a DWI, you might feel the same way.
@Leigh. The light socket example was just horrible. Just like the ‘kid running in the street” example. What kind of parents are you guys? Do you not have strollers? Do you not hold your 2 year olds hands? Is your house not baby proofed? Caps on all the sockets? Trail and error only works without an obvious stimuli. So your example would only be relevant if the child ACTUALLY got shocked. His mother hitting him only teaches him that mom will hit me if I try to put something in this socket, so do it while mom’s not looking. I don’t know where you’re pulling your figures 99.9? If you have to lie to defend your truth it was never truth to begin with. Sexual abuse from spanking is not a huge problem, and I wasn’t saying it was (It was just the icing for my argument) but nevertheless it IS a problem. And since spanking is UNNECESSARY (as shown by the millions of kids who are raised w/o spankings) it seems legit to address this problem. BTW Your diaper analogy fails since changing diapers is
@heather I already addressed that. You should really try doing some research on this topic before you have kids. Do you actually think there is some magic line that separates abuse from discipline? My wife is a social worker, reasonable people have their kids taken away everyday. Read up on death by abuse. It normally starts off as a form of corporal punishment. Often even experts can’t decide what’s abuse and what’s discipline the line is non-existance and grounded in opinion. Of course you as the parent will never admit what you’re doing is abuse. And please don’t give me the “if you leave a bruise it’s abuse” BS. Certain kids bruise easier than others. I coach pop warner football some of my boys leave practice all bruised up yet my sons never had a bruise in his life, and he plays running back (meaning he’s contacted the most often.) Face it, there is no line between abuse and discipline, what was discipline in the 70’s is abuse now. Hopefully soon, what’s “discipline” now will be c
Heather CONT: Considered abuse in the future. I also love it how everyone is basically supporting my argument. “Well spanking shouldn’t be the first option, but if time-outs don’t work, and then groundings don’t work well…” That’s exactly the attitude of most parents who’s spanking escalate. Spanking does supply instant reaction, meaning sure if a kid is jumping on the couch and you spank him he will cry and sit down. Parents get addicted to this lazy primitive tactic so they use it more and more often. The resiliant kids however, adapt to physical punishment and that’s when the spankings increase. So my question is what’s next? Once the spankings stop working? How hard are you hitting your kids? Seriously, If your kids are really so timid that a soft swat keeps them in check for life then GO FOR IT. No one in their right mind would pass that up. However, if you honestly think I’m naive enough to believe that BS then you must have a bridge in riverside to sell me too.
@ Suzy, really sorry to hear that, but yes your case was a rarity and considered extreme abuse. Most abuse is tamer and arisen from overuse of corporal punishment. Infact, I’m pretty sure most of the whoppings and spankings that were considered normal in the past are considered abuse now. i too have friends and even a brother that spanks. I cringe when i hear my nephew cry from unecessary physical pain, but what can I do right? it’s his kid it’s his choice right? BS. I let my feelings known about what he’s doing all the time. You should do the same.
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Answer by Cherry
I don’t agree with spanking.
It just teaches a child to resort to violence when annoyed I think.
Only bullies hit little kids.
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